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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 02:16:00 -
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Artemis Kaiba wrote:Amarr always valued strength. Concerning dropsuits, one interesting constant is the good stamina. Upon these two statements, here is my proposal to make Amarr scout more attractive and "unique" :
Make it a melee class !
Melee show strength. Melee use stamina. Isn't that ideal ?
It fits perfectly with the lore, it would increase the interest in myofibril stimulant (the blue bottle) while providing a new way of battle. The suit may need to be remade with more high slots (for myofibril) and the skill would provide increased melee damage.
Amarr are about durability, unbreakable spirit, and overwhelming fire power.
We like disrupting our enemies capacity to fire their weapons and like draining their capacity to generate energy sapping their will to fight.
Also we do not typically have many Medium Slots essentially high slots....
I see where you are going with this but how will our suit do anything the Minmatar suit can't do better? How will it reinforce a scouting ideal?
" We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 04:37:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:How about a Scrambler Pistol RoF bonus? 5% per level.
Eh? Eh?
Thats not a scouting benefit.....how does that further the idea of scout?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:01:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:+5% to "light armor" (ferroscale / reactive plates) per level
+10% to stamina pool / regen per level
* Assumes Assault Frames are given hugs
Are you encouraging scouts to run heavy armour?
Thats not what real scouts do is it?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:13:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:+5% to "light armor" (ferroscale / reactive plates) per level
+10% to stamina pool / regen per level
* Assumes Assault Frames are given hugs
Are you encouraging scouts to run heavy armour? Thats not what real scouts do is it? I'm not sure what you're asking here. There's strong demand for brick-tanked Scout. Always has been. That demand's currently being met by Gallente Scouts; a bonus to ferroscale / reactive would redirect that demand to the Amarr Scouts instead. At the same time, we could point Gallente and Caldari bonuses toward their respective EWAR modules, which would further motivate mercs interested in HP-tanked Scouts to use Amarr Scouts. All of this assumes that Assaults are improved separately.
But then its not a scout. Its a light assault. Thus you are arbitrarily limiting a racial group based on fallascious notions of what it should be doing.
Amarr Interceptors, Slicers, Executioners are some of the fastest frigates in the game and have low HP.
If anything all races should have their stamina regen reduced to what it used to be to allow the Amarr Scouts Biotics role to really come to the fore.
Especially the Minmatar Scout which due to this buff that it didnt need, over shadows the Amarr biotics bonuses over short and long range travel.
Amarr either need to have a meaningful Biotics bonus.
A comprable EWAR bonus to all other races.
Or Scout bonuses need to not apply static suit buffs but instead module efficiency buffs.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 23:27:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But then its not a scout. Its a light assault. Thus you are arbitrarily limiting a racial group based on fallascious notions of what it should be doing.
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Amarr Heavy is heaviest heavy Amarr Medium is heaviest Medium that it's almost a heavy Amarr light is heaviest light that it's almost a medium I don't see the issue with making the Amarr scout a low profile higher end HP suit. It's already as fast as a minmatar medium might as well have the perks of a medium. I get that role players would like to have a "scout" but in reality when we were debating this many many months ago, about conceptually how an Amarr scout would even fit in as a scout it didn't make very much sense. I like the idea of "an invisible medium frame" for the amarr because then there's a reason to run it. Basically an assault with a cloak: Imagine a squad of amarr scouts under the ferroscale pretense: They're faster than you, have plenty of HP for their size, and are invisible. It's an attractive option, it's not scoutly but hell a scout that moves slower than a minmatar medium aint very scoutly to begin with. If you want to move beyond fallascious notions you might as well lower Amarr scout HP and raise the speed.
Amarr would make the perfect lightly armoured Bitoic Frame.
Caldari get bonus to Scan Precision and radius
Gallente get bonuses to Scan Prevention and radius
Minmatar get Hacking and Knives
Amarr get Increase to Stamina pool and regeneration
Regeneration is pointless when Min regenerates stamina faster anway.
Remove the hyper stamina regen and Amarr role makes more sense.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 00:15:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Amarr would make the perfect lightly armoured Bitoic Frame.
Caldari get bonus to Scan Precision and radius
Gallente get bonuses to Scan Prevention and radius
Minmatar get Hacking and Knives
Amarr get Increase to Stamina pool and regeneration
Regeneration is pointless when Min regenerates stamina faster anway.
Remove the hyper stamina regen and Amarr role makes more sense.
Yeah I was against Minmatar having such good Stamina compared to amarr But I thought yall were against stamina bonus originally.... Lastly Gallente range bonus sucks: 5% and dampening is 15% now :(
I was but I'll admit a wrongness and sense of entitlement in those posts.
My philosophy has somewhat altered now that I am heavily invested in EVE.
It basically goes.
Each Hull/Suit should be fundamentally able to achieve and act in its given role, following which should be subject to the modifiers of its racial group, in such as way as those modifications do not unbalance or shift its functionality outside of its fundamental purpose.
Thus an Amarrian scout should able to compete on a fundamental level with the other scouts. Which it does, once racial modifications are applied. Now for bonuses I can understand the stamina modifications.......but when those modifications are over shadowed and do not allow the suit to achieve its intended functionality.......... something is wrong.
Amarr scouts do not need to be light assaults. The hull/suit would not fulfil its roles.
It does not need more armour, or ScP damage.
It needs to stamina biotics king. Like Gallente is stealth king, Caldari is Scan king, and Minmatar is hack king.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 00:29:00 -
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tander09 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Amarr would make the perfect lightly armoured Bitoic Frame.
Caldari get bonus to Scan Precision and radius
Gallente get bonuses to Scan Prevention and radius
Minmatar get Hacking and Knives
Amarr get Increase to Stamina pool and regeneration
Regeneration is pointless when Min regenerates stamina faster anway.
Remove the hyper stamina regen and Amarr role makes more sense.
Yeah I was against Minmatar having such good Stamina compared to amarr But I thought yall were against stamina bonus originally.... Lastly Gallente range bonus sucks: 5% and dampening is 15% now :( I was but I'll admit a wrongness and sense of entitlement in those posts. My philosophy has somewhat altered now that I am heavily invested in EVE. It basically goes. Each Hull/Suit should be fundamentally able to achieve and act in its given role, following which should be subject to the modifiers of its racial group, in such as way as those modifications do not unbalance or shift its functionality outside of its fundamental purpose. Thus an Amarrian scout should able to compete on a fundamental level with the other scouts. Which it does, once racial modifications are applied. Now for bonuses I can understand the stamina modifications.......but when those modifications are over shadowed and do not allow the suit to achieve its intended functionality.......... something is wrong. Amarr scouts do not need to be light assaults. The hull/suit would not fulfil its roles. It does not need more armour, or ScP damage. It needs to stamina biotics king. Like Gallente is stealth king, Caldari is Scan king, and Minmatar is hack king. No, Amarr should be tank king, it would be like it's EVE counterparts. And also, Amarr scout is built like it should fit the light assault role well.
My Slicer is not a tank king. It's one of the damn fastest ships in the game and incredibly flimsy. Same with the Executioner.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Amarr Headed Guys Let us know once you've freed your heads from your arses. In the mean time, this is what we'll be proposing on your behalf Scout Polish Proposal. This change would actually make the Amarr Scout competitive. Believe it or not, we actually expected that you non-Scout RP clowns would like it as much as actual Amarr Scouts do. Unbelievable. @ Bojo Forget these inconsolable cry babies. We've been down this road before; they are impossible to please. Let them wallow and lament and present their own ideas. We'll present ours. Hopefully, they won't get in the way of our getting they stuff fixed. And if they do, it'll be on them. Again. LMAO.
Brilliant. I'm contented that you have that on the agenda.
*"I watched you. From candle to a torch you grew. I'll always remember those days with great affection." - Satja Askarin
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